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Of course they can. It doesn't matter how you're born. What matters is what you end up becoming.

(It's a little hypocritical coming from Noctis and the role he was born to play, but he fully believes it for everyone else.)

yes
fuck destiny
you're in charge of the person you become

I wonder that sometimes too.

It would be nice if...you could. I think there's always a way to escape it, even if it might seem impossible to do so. Destiny is something that you create by your own choices in life. So I don't think any person's destiny is really predetermined.

I like to think so. But even if you do escape it, it's always going to stay with you. It makes up who you are.

I guess it's a matter of coming to terms with yourself even if that's not as easy as it sounds. Or helpful advice at all.

you seem quite confident in that assessment. i take it you've never had any trouble with the issue?

truly? is it really so easily said and done?

how can you know that your choices are really your own, and not overly influenced by what happened to you? how can you know that you're really yourself, and not what someone else has made you to be?

it's more helpful than you think.

perhaps i'm just having trouble with the coming to terms part of the situation.

Aren't we all.

For what it's worth, I think if you're trying to avoid becoming something horrible, that says a lot about your character. There are people who choose to stay the way they are, even if it hurts others.

Destiny is what you make it. Always.

I hope so.

Otherwise we are in trouble.

[She figures the person typing is referring to their own lives, anyway.]

I don't think there's any one answer that covers all circumstances, but in my case I've found that there are things you can't outrun.

I never said it was easy. I have a role to play back at home. I could run from it, just leave everything behind, but I choose to stay. If people weren't born into that role but want to help, then they can help. Like I said, that kind of stuff doesn't matter.

i never said anything about easy.

i should've been clearer: i don't think you can erase your past or the things that made you into the person that you are.
i have no idea what kind of circumstances you're talking about, but there's no changing them.
and if they sucked (which i'm guessing they did since happy privileged people don't ask those kinds of questions in my experience) that can change the options available to you. i get that.

it's just that i don't believe in destiny
this idea that there's just one path for everybody that's already been cosmically decided and nothing you decide can change that.
i can't. i mean how could anybody believe in something like that and keep living?

From circumstances, yes. And what is 'destiny' but the sum of our own choices?

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Destiny is a concept that is commonly attributed to events after they occur.

To possess as 'destiny' in the terms you are using is more akin to prophecy or divination. Both concepts are also viewed as being true only after the fact. Events may occur similar to the predictions but not all variables are set thus, the predicted outcome may not happen.

Whoever this was they seemed to be ignoring the entire issue of the circumstances of one birth mattering or viewing it as utterly inconsequential.

I think that depends on what you mean by escaping the circumstances of your birth.

I believe destiny is more fluid than what people want us to believe.

[ Rin was pretty vague, but this guy's on the exact right track. Avoiding the horrors of his own culture is part of it, but it's not the whole of his problems. ]

i'm afraid i already am something horrible

[ Not something he'd likely confess to anyone directly. He doesn't necessarily think he's the worst person alive, but he views his upbringing like a poison--one he's not sure that he can ever entirely excise. ]

because

what if that's the only way you've ever known how to be? what if that was taught to you as right? divine right, even.

what would happen if you didn't choose to stay? would anyone come for you if you just decided to run?

it's not so much that they sucked

[ Though they did. ]

it's more ... let's say you grew up being taught that the world around you was one shape, and then you learned later that maybe what you were taught was wrong

and even after you know, definitively, that you were taught wrongly

you can't shake that original definition

it starts to feel like maybe you're not capable of thinking right at all

[ Which strikes a little bit at the destiny concern, though his worry there is partly figurative, partly practical. ]

what if you CAN'T make it? what if someone's trying to make it for you?

i am most definitely in trouble

especially if i ever leave here.

Then you take it from them. By any means necessary.

[ ... That sounds pretty scary, but. Gamora had been willing to give up everything to take her destiny back for herself, and she knows it was worth it – especially given the master she'd served. ]

not all of us were born with such power.

[ He somehow finds this answer comforting, if only because it feels realistic. Feels, in a way, affirming--because that's certainly been his experience up until he showed up here. ]

my time in this place feels like running

but i know it won't last forever.

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